[nbusers] Re: Netbeans Vs IDEA
- From: Thomas Wolf < >
- Subject: [nbusers] Re: Netbeans Vs IDEA
- Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 13:53:24 -0500
Eclipse has a lot going for it. Although I could/would not get used to its
strange/bizarre "workspace" UI concept, it (or its plugins) have features
Netbeans lacks. For instance, tight integration of software quality tools
like PMD, FindBugs, and UCD directly into the build output (with fine-grain
control over what constitutes errors that stop the build). This allows you
to fix these things right alongside the run-of-the-mill Java compiler errors
and keeps you from committing "dirty" code to the source repository. In NB,
when you can get these tools at all (I think the Unused Code Detector(UCD) is
not even available for Netbeans), they have their own windows or tie into the
"Action Items" window - which is, itself, was only added in recent years and
is separate from the "Output" window that most/some of us still use to see
compiler outputs (at this point, I think "Action Items" also shows compiler
errors/warnings, but then why is the Output window still showing them? We
"Action Items" is to be the center of the compile/fix cycle, why duplicate
this info in "Output"?)
I'm not an Eclipse fan - for the past 6 years, I've been the only NB user in
a group of Eclipse users. At this point, they've given up trying to convert
me and I've never considered switching to Eclipse (due to its weird GUI -
been using NB for 10+ years…can't teach an old dogs new tricks, I guess). I
think they've learned to appreciate that my IDE can bring some benefits to
the table that they lack in Eclipse (most often, the lacking item is the
Profiler. As others have pointed out, I can profile an app in a few minutes,
while they'd have to dust off/re-learn their copy of "JProfiler" or
equivalent). Every tool has its advantages/disadvantages. To call Eclipse a
glorified editor or being "plugin hell" is, for many, an incorrect
Just my $.02,
p.s. I actually like the look of IDEA - very similar to Netbeans. My biggest
problem has always been that I am apparently too dumb to get used to their
"module", "project", whatever concept. Whenever I picked up a copy to try
again, I immediately fell on my face trying to fit our app into its
project/module? structure. Simply couldn't figure out the "right" way to do
it in IDEA.
On Nov 27, 2012, at 12:48 PM, Edson Richter
> Em 27/11/2012 15:37, Ion Iovu escreveu:
>> in case it's of any help, I too have faught in the last 7 years. I made
>> the switch from IDEA at that time. IDEA was bulky for me. Although feature
>> rich, it consumed all the resources a computer had (good computers at that
>> Everybody's telling how feature rich IDEA is, but I didn't see it that
>> way. As I moved to NetBeans there were only few things to miss.
>> I don't want to bash anybody, but the Eclipse guys that I worked with
>> especially have this itch of spreading their Eclipse religion. I even
>> worked in a project that was mavenized and still I got remarks from here
>> and there.
>> Here are my conclusions after some years:
>> - If you do your job well and on time there is no need to worry.
>> - a professional chooses the tooling that fit him best. You don't call a
>> plumber to fix a pipe and expressly require that he uses the tools you
>> - ask everybody in the team to switch IDE's, and you'll switch too: IDEA
>> users switching to Eclipse and Eclipse users switching to IDEA, then
>> you'll switch to one of them. See reactions, observe.
>> -There are projects built from ground up in Eclipse. e.g. no programmer
>> using other IDE ever worked on that project. And then it uses some
>> in-house Domain Specific Language and a plugin is available only for
>> Eclipse. What do you do? Implement a plugin for NetBeans? Not before you
>> become a maven on that DSL. Use Eclipse. Or find another project.
>> - In term of editors, if Notepad had completion Eclipse users could switch
>> with no problem. You could start a war with that, I suggest to not use it.
> Yes, I'm glad I'm not the only one that share this vision!
> I've been using Eclipse for years (because I'm forced to), and I feel it
> like "NotePad with steroids" - Eclipse is good for typewriters, but when
> you have to start integrating the several plugins, you get lost. There are
> all kind of incompatibilities (one example: you can't use GWT plugin with
> 64bit Eclipse).
> Hahaha, using the idea of "religion", they said they have many profets
> ("plugins"), but most of them won't work togheter, because need different
> versions of god...
> Good, I also don't want to start a "flame war", but I'll stick with
> NetBeans for a long, long, long time. And version 7.3 is promising: the new
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[nbusers] Re: Netbeans Vs IDEA