[nbdev] Re: Maven Netbeans builds and dependencies issues (especially transitive ones)

  • From: Jean-Marc Borer < >
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  • Subject: [nbdev] Re: Maven Netbeans builds and dependencies issues (especially transitive ones)
  • Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 10:12:14 +0000

OK fine.

Thanks for your great contributions.

Cheers,

JM

On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 10:02 AM, Geertjan Wielenga
< >
 wrote:
>
> Plus, my blog entries are normally 70% right, at best. I.e., you'll often
> find people ranting in the comments about how wrong the things are that I'm
> writing. I'd hate to cast my blog entries in stone by listing them on the
> wiki how-tos. Instead, what I do is -- after some time has passed and the
> rants have calmed down -- integrate them into tutorials that I'm working on.
>
> But the point for me is still the same -- use Google. You'll find blogs,
> tutorials, wikis, mail threads. Works well.
>
> Gj
>
>
> On 03/04/2013 10:55 AM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Many of them are already, e.g., the Print section here comes from my blog:
>http://wiki.netbeans.org/NetBeansDeveloperFAQ
>>
>> I'd recommend the very first place to look is Google -- you'll find my
>> blog entries, as well as Wikis, as well as other articles, and mailing
>> lists.
>>
>> Gj
>>
>> On 03/04/2013 09:56 AM, Jean-Marc Borer wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Geertjan,
>>>
>>> Your blogs contains a tremendous amount of useful information.
>>> Sometimes however searching it can be difficult: the search results
>>> are not very accurate when you roughly remember having read something
>>> about a topic and want to find the article again.
>>>
>>> Wouldn't it be a good idea to link them or even better copy them to
>>> the netbeans wiki how-to? There would be then a central place to look
>>> for information. Sometimes google even keeps links to articles before
>>> Oracle-Sun acquisition and which are broken. Not a very happy user
>>> experience.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Jean-Marc
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Geertjan Wielenga
>>> < >
>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 03/01/2013 04:30 PM, Jean-Marc Borer wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Geertjan,
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree that a lot of work has been done for a better support of Maven
>>>>> in
>>>>> NB.
>>>>>
>>>>> However if you follow this "huge" thread now, you can spot several
>>>>> areas of improvement concerning documentation.
>>>>>
>>>>> It starts with the nbm Maven plugin. I am working now for several
>>>>> years with Maven and still have sometimes problems to understand the
>>>>> plugins documentation. Let's take an example. There are a lot of
>>>>> options possible in the configuration part but you have to guess how
>>>>> to use it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No, you need to do research. Whenever I have a question, I use Google
>>>> and I
>>>> also find the answer I'm looking for, sometimes take a bit longer. But
>>>> guessing has nerver been needed.
>>>>
>>>> Would it help if I were to add an item on the page below "Topics that
>>>> need
>>>> to be documented"?
>>>>
>>>> http://wiki.netbeans.org/NetBeansDeveloperFAQ
>>>>
>>>> But, I'm a bit sceptical because this that you write is true for most
>>>> people: "Unfortunately I can't remember right now all the
>>>>
>>>> documentation I am missing. Most of the time I can think about it when I
>>>> run
>>>> into problems I can't find  a solution in the books."
>>>>
>>>> Also, as soon as you have an answer to something, i.e., you have learned
>>>> something new, via the mailing list or otherwise, you should be going to
>>>> the
>>>> page above and registering your new knowledge there as a new how to.
>>>>
>>>> Gj
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Geertjan Wielenga
>>>>> < >
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 03/01/2013 03:53 PM, Jean-Marc Borer wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I also agree, the learning curve is steep and most users would turn
>>>>>>> away from the platfomrm when they encounter difficulties like I had.
>>>>>>> Maven with NB RCP is still kind of second zone citizen. There so much
>>>>>>> wizards and UI with ant based project that simplify your life.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which wizards and UI for Ant projects is not there for Maven projects?
>>>>>
>>>>> With ant projects you have in properties the version module panel
>>>>> where you can define what you need and also the libraries panel with
>>>>> the magic "resolve" button which would have helped me and Thomas to
>>>>> save a LOT of time. There should be a nice "resolve" dependency wizard
>>>>> for Maven.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now concerning documentation: since there are not such wizards and gui
>>>>> comps with Maven projects, it should be documented how to achieve the
>>>>> same goals. Here is a list of what I can think about:
>>>>>
>>>>> * how define an implementation version and how the Maven version will
>>>>> be used (spec, major, impl?)
>>>>> * how Maven dependencies will processed by the plugin
>>>>>
>>>>> Other topics not related to Maven but could have their doc improved
>>>>> * All the dependency classloading stuff. This doc
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://bits.netbeans.org/dev/javadoc/org-openide-modules/org/openide/modules/doc-files/classpath.html
>>>>> is helpfull but too techy. It doesn't provide a nice learning path.
>>>>> * How to define keyboard shortcuts with annotations
>>>>> * there almost no documentation about clusters and Maven. How to use
>>>>> them, where to find them (again the UI wizard provides that) and how
>>>>> to create your own ones.
>>>>>
>>>>> As you might know I have all the books available on Netbeans (yours,
>>>>> Heiko's and Petri's ones). What I am missing is more ore less howto's.
>>>>> There are already some good ones on the wiki, but there is still room
>>>>> for more. Unfortunately I can't remember right now all the
>>>>> documentation I am missing. Most of the time I can think about it when
>>>>> I run into problems I can't find  a solution in the books. Maybe we
>>>>> should create a page on the wiki where everyone could suggest howto
>>>>> themes (maybe it already exists, sorry I don't now it yet then).
>>>>>
>>>>> This is my first feedback. Sorry for my english errors, but I am a bit
>>>>> short of time for now.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> Jean-Marc
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>


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[nbdev] Re: Maven Netbeans builds and dependencies issues (especially transitive ones)

Geertjan Wielenga 03/01/2013

[nbdev] Re: Maven Netbeans builds and dependencies issues (especially transitive ones)

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[nbdev] Re: Maven Netbeans builds and dependencies issues (especially transitive ones)

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[nbdev] Re: Maven Netbeans builds and dependencies issues (especially transitive ones)

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