[nbdev] Re: Maven Netbeans builds and dependencies issues (especially transitive ones)

  • From: Jean-Marc Borer < >
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  • Subject: [nbdev] Re: Maven Netbeans builds and dependencies issues (especially transitive ones)
  • Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 08:56:56 +0000

Hi Geertjan,

Your blogs contains a tremendous amount of useful information.
Sometimes however searching it can be difficult: the search results
are not very accurate when you roughly remember having read something
about a topic and want to find the article again.

Wouldn't it be a good idea to link them or even better copy them to
the netbeans wiki how-to? There would be then a central place to look
for information. Sometimes google even keeps links to articles before
Oracle-Sun acquisition and which are broken. Not a very happy user
experience.

Cheers,

Jean-Marc

On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Geertjan Wielenga
< >
 wrote:
> On 03/01/2013 04:30 PM, Jean-Marc Borer wrote:
>>
>> Hi Geertjan,
>>
>> I agree that a lot of work has been done for a better support of Maven in
>> NB.
>>
>> However if you follow this "huge" thread now, you can spot several
>> areas of improvement concerning documentation.
>>
>> It starts with the nbm Maven plugin. I am working now for several
>> years with Maven and still have sometimes problems to understand the
>> plugins documentation. Let's take an example. There are a lot of
>> options possible in the configuration part but you have to guess how
>> to use it.
>
>
> No, you need to do research. Whenever I have a question, I use Google and I
> also find the answer I'm looking for, sometimes take a bit longer. But
> guessing has nerver been needed.
>
> Would it help if I were to add an item on the page below "Topics that need
> to be documented"?
>
> http://wiki.netbeans.org/NetBeansDeveloperFAQ
>
> But, I'm a bit sceptical because this that you write is true for most
> people: "Unfortunately I can't remember right now all the
>
> documentation I am missing. Most of the time I can think about it when I run
> into problems I can't find  a solution in the books."
>
> Also, as soon as you have an answer to something, i.e., you have learned
> something new, via the mailing list or otherwise, you should be going to the
> page above and registering your new knowledge there as a new how to.
>
> Gj
>
>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Geertjan Wielenga
>> < >
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> On 03/01/2013 03:53 PM, Jean-Marc Borer wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I also agree, the learning curve is steep and most users would turn
>>>> away from the platfomrm when they encounter difficulties like I had.
>>>> Maven with NB RCP is still kind of second zone citizen. There so much
>>>> wizards and UI with ant based project that simplify your life.
>>>
>>>
>>> Which wizards and UI for Ant projects is not there for Maven projects?
>>
>> With ant projects you have in properties the version module panel
>> where you can define what you need and also the libraries panel with
>> the magic "resolve" button which would have helped me and Thomas to
>> save a LOT of time. There should be a nice "resolve" dependency wizard
>> for Maven.
>>
>> Now concerning documentation: since there are not such wizards and gui
>> comps with Maven projects, it should be documented how to achieve the
>> same goals. Here is a list of what I can think about:
>>
>> * how define an implementation version and how the Maven version will
>> be used (spec, major, impl?)
>> * how Maven dependencies will processed by the plugin
>>
>> Other topics not related to Maven but could have their doc improved
>> * All the dependency classloading stuff. This doc
>>
>http://bits.netbeans.org/dev/javadoc/org-openide-modules/org/openide/modules/doc-files/classpath.html
>> is helpfull but too techy. It doesn't provide a nice learning path.
>> * How to define keyboard shortcuts with annotations
>> * there almost no documentation about clusters and Maven. How to use
>> them, where to find them (again the UI wizard provides that) and how
>> to create your own ones.
>>
>> As you might know I have all the books available on Netbeans (yours,
>> Heiko's and Petri's ones). What I am missing is more ore less howto's.
>> There are already some good ones on the wiki, but there is still room
>> for more. Unfortunately I can't remember right now all the
>> documentation I am missing. Most of the time I can think about it when
>> I run into problems I can't find  a solution in the books. Maybe we
>> should create a page on the wiki where everyone could suggest howto
>> themes (maybe it already exists, sorry I don't now it yet then).
>>
>> This is my first feedback. Sorry for my english errors, but I am a bit
>> short of time for now.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Jean-Marc
>
>


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[nbdev] Re: Maven Netbeans builds and dependencies issues (especially transitive ones)

Milos Kleint 03/01/2013

[nbdev] Re: Maven Netbeans builds and dependencies issues (especially transitive ones)

Jean-Marc Borer 03/01/2013

[nbdev] Re: Maven Netbeans builds and dependencies issues (especially transitive ones)

Wade Chandler 03/01/2013

[nbdev] Re: Maven Netbeans builds and dependencies issues (especially transitive ones)

Jean-Marc Borer 03/01/2013

[nbdev] Re: Maven Netbeans builds and dependencies issues (especially transitive ones)

03/01/2013

[nbdev] Re: Maven Netbeans builds and dependencies issues (especially transitive ones)

Jean-Marc Borer 03/01/2013

[nbdev] Re: Maven Netbeans builds and dependencies issues (especially transitive ones)

Geertjan Wielenga 03/01/2013

[nbdev] Re: Maven Netbeans builds and dependencies issues (especially transitive ones)

Geertjan Wielenga 03/01/2013

[nbdev] Re: Maven Netbeans builds and dependencies issues (especially transitive ones)

Jean-Marc Borer 03/01/2013

[nbdev] Re: Maven Netbeans builds and dependencies issues (especially transitive ones)

Geertjan Wielenga 03/01/2013

[nbdev] Re: Maven Netbeans builds and dependencies issues (especially transitive ones)

Jean-Marc Borer 03/04/2013

[nbdev] Re: Maven Netbeans builds and dependencies issues (especially transitive ones)

Geertjan Wielenga 03/04/2013

[nbdev] Re: Maven Netbeans builds and dependencies issues (especially transitive ones)

Geertjan Wielenga 03/04/2013

[nbdev] Re: Maven Netbeans builds and dependencies issues (especially transitive ones)

Jean-Marc Borer 03/04/2013

[nbdev] Re: Maven Netbeans builds and dependencies issues (especially transitive ones)

03/01/2013

[nbdev] Re: Maven Netbeans builds and dependencies issues (especially transitive ones)

Wade Chandler 03/01/2013

[nbdev] Re: Maven Netbeans builds and dependencies issues (especially transitive ones)

Wade Chandler 03/01/2013

[nbdev] Re: Maven Netbeans builds and dependencies issues (especially transitive ones)

Geertjan Wielenga 03/01/2013

[nbdev] Re: Maven Netbeans builds and dependencies issues (especially transitive ones)

03/01/2013

[nbdev] Re: Maven Netbeans builds and dependencies issues (especially transitive ones)

Geertjan Wielenga 03/01/2013

[nbdev] Re: Maven Netbeans builds and dependencies issues (especially transitive ones)

Jean-Marc Borer 03/01/2013

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