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Bug 142319 - I18N - L10N kit lacks some comments in *.properties needed by translators
I18N - L10N kit lacks some comments in *.properties needed by translators
Product: www
Classification: Unclassified
Component: Builds & Repositories
All All
: P1 (vote)
: 6.x
Assigned To: nbbuild-issues@ide
: I18N
Depends on: 58298
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Reported: 2008-07-30 21:29 UTC by Ken Frank
Modified: 2009-07-06 18:50 UTC (History)
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Issue Type: DEFECT


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Description Ken Frank 2008-07-30 21:29:09 UTC
please bear with me as explain why feel this is p1; I realize this situation might
have been in earlier release but that does not make it less a problem.

in 138273, it mentioned that before product jars are built, that all comments
but #NOI18N or #PART I18N are stripped out, ie

------- Additional comments from jglick Tue Jul 29 22:18:59 +0000 2008 -------

nbbuild/templates/common.xml has

<copy todir="${build.classes.dir}">
  <!-- #58298: strip comments to save some space -->
  <fileset dir="${src.dir}" includes="**/*.properties"/>
      <!-- #61965: preserve #NOI18N and similar comments -->
      <replaceregex pattern="^#(?!(PART)?(NO)?I18N).*[\r\n]+" replace="" flags="gm"/>

BUT there are and have been some comments for translators related to don't translate
this or that or other special instructions that dont use the words NOI18N in it,
and that means bundle files in kits wont have these comments and thus translators
won't see them.

I realize perhaps that dev do need to use NOI18N though I don't know if its something
all know or has been enforced.  But in any case its a problem for translators.

It was mentioned that comments stripped due to space requirements and size of jars.

a. how can this be fixed so that kits have these other messages - I don't know scope
of it or which bundles have them, saw a few just on some browse.

b. jesse suggested
but perhaps the L10N kit could be built from a special throwaway build
created with a flag to skip the stripping step in projectized.xml. (Such a build would be functionally identical to a
regular build, except being slightly slower to start up.) The I18N comments (which are relatively rare) are needed in
the regular build even disregarding the L10N kit, in order for -J-Dorg.openide.util.NbBundle.DEBUG=true to work.

c. I think adding more patterns to file to allow other comments not to be stripped
would be a problem since how can all such strings be known ?

---> thats why its filed at p1 and although solution not needed this minute,
it will help to at least have this discussed and proposed solutions in time
for when actual translation starts.  please change to p2 if it will stay on radar and be 
solved fairly soon.
Comment 1 Jesse Glick 2008-07-30 21:52:44 UTC
Adjusting summary to better reflect the actual request, which is about the kit, not the production build.
Comment 2 Ken Frank 2008-07-31 17:04:24 UTC
some ideas for workaround until actually fixed:

1. add patterns to skip that are of these words/patterns:

I8N (this has happened in 138273 and although fixed there, it might be in other components since it 
is a common typo in general

 i18n, i8n, l10n, L10N, L10n, I18n, i18N - other spellings used sometimes

locale, localization, localize and upper case versions or patterns ocal and OCAL

translate, translation, Translate, translators, TRANSLATE, TRANSLATION "do not" - some words that recall
as being in some bundle files in past. (actually patterns anslat & ANSLAT would cover this.

2. mail could go to dev mgrs and nb-tech asking to change any such comments to #NOI18N

3. if kit created from special build, in which no comments have been stripped, assume however the bundle files would be
exactly same as those in product build.

4. it also would mean that reverse process would need to happen, that before building ml
the comments would need to be stripped off since in this case all comments would be in these
bundle files.
Comment 3 Jesse Glick 2008-07-31 19:45:10 UTC
#1 - no.

#2 - yes, developers are required to use the standard naming pattern for message keys which are not intended for

#4 - optional but probably good for performance.
Comment 4 Ken Frank 2008-07-31 19:52:48 UTC
why no to modifying commented strings with certain additional patterns mentioned below -
would that rather small set of additional commented lines really increase size that much ?

as to yes to sending mail to nb-tech or dev mgrs, can you do it or at least send me
mail with wording and I'll fwd - since think it will mean more for dev to see it coming from
Comment 5 Jesse Glick 2008-07-31 20:06:42 UTC
No to #1 because the patterns are too vague, and the correct pattern is needed anyway for bundle debugging mode.

I did not invent this system but:

*Bundle*.properties are entirely localizable by default; any bundle key which should be ignored by translators in such
files should be immediately preceded by


Other *.properties are not localizable by default; within such files, any bundle key which should be addressed by
translators should be immediately preceded by


Also, #PARTI18N and #PARTNOI18N may be used for keys which contain some localizable content but which should be treated
with care as other parts are fixed.

In practice, only #NOI18N is used with any frequency that I know of, generally for brandable resource strings (progress
bar colors etc.) which are irrelevant to language translation.
Comment 6 Michal Zlamal 2009-07-03 12:03:17 UTC
Comments are not stripped out of .properties files any longer.
Comment 7 Jesse Glick 2009-07-06 18:50:50 UTC
As of bbc5329c3be5.

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