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Bug 143234

Summary: [65cat] Sluggish performance on a clean/build
Product: ide Reporter: Unknown <non_migrated_user>
Component: PerformanceAssignee: issues@performance <issues>
Status: CLOSED WORKSFORME    
Severity: blocker CC: issues, jkovalsky, jlahoda, mmirilovic, pjiricka, tzezula
Priority: P2 Keywords: PERFORMANCE
Version: 3.x   
Hardware: PC   
OS: Linux   
Issue Type: DEFECT Exception Reporter:
Attachments: log file
Console and StackTrace of issue
More sluggishness thread dump
jmap histo
j2se project module
Modified version of org-netbeans-modules-java-source-ant.jar
Sample Project for Testing Clean and Build
bash script to generate test ant scripts.

Description Unknown 2008-08-07 22:04:38 UTC
[ BUILD # : 200808051401 ]
[ JDK VERSION : 1.6.0_07 ]

The UI periodically hangs.
Attaching a log file
Comment 1 Unknown 2008-08-07 22:05:49 UTC
Created attachment 66859 [details]
log file
Comment 2 Marian Mirilovic 2008-08-07 22:49:35 UTC
What is the size of your project :
- number of source roots
- number of classes 

Thanks in advance.
Comment 3 Jan Becicka 2008-08-08 09:31:13 UTC
Please be more specific. What exactly did you do? Clean and build on which project? How many files? how many dependent
projects? How long did the build run? 

Attached dump does not show, that UI is frozen.
Comment 4 Unknown 2008-08-08 14:55:26 UTC
clean build.
NB eventually did come back, but I couldn't edit, etc while the build was going on.
The "hang" occurred in the last build.
Here's a typical clean/build output.

init:
deps-clean:
init:
deps-clean:
Deleting directory /home/sasbeb/projects/CMP-v920/build
Deleting directory /home/sasbeb/projects/CMP-v920/dist
clean:
init:
deps-clean:
init:
deps-clean:
clean:
init:
deps-clean:
init:
deps-clean:
clean:
Deleting directory /home/sasbeb/projects/ETSCommon-v920/build
Deleting directory /home/sasbeb/projects/ETSCommon-v920/dist
clean:
Deleting directory /home/sasbeb/projects/FCmpFuncETSModelEditor-v920/build
Deleting directory /home/sasbeb/projects/FCmpFuncETSModelEditor-v920/dist
clean:
init:
deps-clean:
init:
deps-clean:
clean:
clean:
init:
deps-clean:
init:
deps-clean:
clean:
init:
deps-clean:
init:
deps-clean:
clean:
init:
deps-clean:
init:
deps-clean:
clean:
clean:
clean:
init:
deps-clean:
init:
deps-clean:
clean:
clean:
Deleting directory /home/sasbeb/projects/sas.analytics.etsmodeleditor/build
Deleting directory /home/sasbeb/projects/sas.analytics.etsmodeleditor/dist
clean:
Deleting directory /home/sasbeb/projects/RiskDimensions-d2rskd52/build
Deleting directory /home/sasbeb/projects/RiskDimensions-d2rskd52/dist
clean:
init:
deps-jar:
init:
deps-jar:
Created dir: /home/sasbeb/projects/CMP-v920/build/classes
Compiling 153 source files to /home/sasbeb/projects/CMP-v920/build/classes
Note: Some input files use or override a deprecated API.
Note: Recompile with -Xlint:deprecation for details.
Note: Some input files use unchecked or unsafe operations.
Note: Recompile with -Xlint:unchecked for details.
Copying 40 files to /home/sasbeb/projects/CMP-v920/build/classes
Copied 9 empty directories to 5 empty directories under /home/sasbeb/projects/CMP-v920/build/classes
compile:
Created dir: /home/sasbeb/projects/CMP-v920/dist
Building jar: /home/sasbeb/projects/CMP-v920/dist/sas.analytics.cmp.jar
Copy libraries to /home/sasbeb/projects/CMP-v920/dist/lib.
To run this application from the command line without Ant, try:
java -jar "/home/sasbeb/projects/CMP-v920/dist/sas.analytics.cmp.jar"
jar:
init:
deps-jar:
init:
deps-jar:
compile:
Copy libraries to /home/sasbeb/projects/CMP-v920/dist/lib.
To run this application from the command line without Ant, try:
java -jar "/home/sasbeb/projects/CMP-v920/dist/sas.analytics.cmp.jar"
jar:
init:
deps-jar:
init:
deps-jar:
compile:
Copy libraries to /home/sasbeb/projects/CMP-v920/dist/lib.
To run this application from the command line without Ant, try:
java -jar "/home/sasbeb/projects/CMP-v920/dist/sas.analytics.cmp.jar"
jar:
Created dir: /home/sasbeb/projects/ETSCommon-v920/build/classes
Compiling 73 source files to /home/sasbeb/projects/ETSCommon-v920/build/classes
Note: Some input files use unchecked or unsafe operations.
Note: Recompile with -Xlint:unchecked for details.
Copying 8 files to /home/sasbeb/projects/ETSCommon-v920/build/classes
compile:
Created dir: /home/sasbeb/projects/ETSCommon-v920/dist
Building jar: /home/sasbeb/projects/ETSCommon-v920/dist/sas.etscommon.jar
Copy libraries to /home/sasbeb/projects/ETSCommon-v920/dist/lib.
To run this application from the command line without Ant, try:
java -jar "/home/sasbeb/projects/ETSCommon-v920/dist/sas.etscommon.jar"
jar:
Created dir: /home/sasbeb/projects/FCmpFuncETSModelEditor-v920/build/classes
Compiling 126 source files to /home/sasbeb/projects/FCmpFuncETSModelEditor-v920/build/classes
Note: Some input files use or override a deprecated API.
Note: Recompile with -Xlint:deprecation for details.
Note: Some input files use unchecked or unsafe operations.
Note: Recompile with -Xlint:unchecked for details.
Copying 38 files to /home/sasbeb/projects/FCmpFuncETSModelEditor-v920/build/classes
Copied 11 empty directories to 6 empty directories under /home/sasbeb/projects/FCmpFuncETSModelEditor-v920/build/classes
compile:
Created dir: /home/sasbeb/projects/FCmpFuncETSModelEditor-v920/dist
Building jar: /home/sasbeb/projects/FCmpFuncETSModelEditor-v920/dist/sas.analytics.cmpfuncetsmdl.jar
Copy libraries to /home/sasbeb/projects/FCmpFuncETSModelEditor-v920/dist/lib.
To run this application from the command line without Ant, try:
java -jar "/home/sasbeb/projects/FCmpFuncETSModelEditor-v920/dist/sas.analytics.cmpfuncetsmdl.jar"
jar:
init:
deps-jar:
init:
deps-jar:
compile:
Copy libraries to /home/sasbeb/projects/CMP-v920/dist/lib.
To run this application from the command line without Ant, try:
java -jar "/home/sasbeb/projects/CMP-v920/dist/sas.analytics.cmp.jar"
jar:
compile:
Copy libraries to /home/sasbeb/projects/ETSCommon-v920/dist/lib.
To run this application from the command line without Ant, try:
java -jar "/home/sasbeb/projects/ETSCommon-v920/dist/sas.etscommon.jar"
jar:
init:
deps-jar:
init:
deps-jar:
compile:
Copy libraries to /home/sasbeb/projects/CMP-v920/dist/lib.
To run this application from the command line without Ant, try:
java -jar "/home/sasbeb/projects/CMP-v920/dist/sas.analytics.cmp.jar"
jar:
init:
deps-jar:
init:
deps-jar:
compile:
Copy libraries to /home/sasbeb/projects/CMP-v920/dist/lib.
To run this application from the command line without Ant, try:
java -jar "/home/sasbeb/projects/CMP-v920/dist/sas.analytics.cmp.jar"
jar:
init:
deps-jar:
init:
deps-jar:
compile:
Copy libraries to /home/sasbeb/projects/CMP-v920/dist/lib.
To run this application from the command line without Ant, try:
java -jar "/home/sasbeb/projects/CMP-v920/dist/sas.analytics.cmp.jar"
jar:
compile:
Copy libraries to /home/sasbeb/projects/ETSCommon-v920/dist/lib.
To run this application from the command line without Ant, try:
java -jar "/home/sasbeb/projects/ETSCommon-v920/dist/sas.etscommon.jar"
jar:
compile:
Copy libraries to /home/sasbeb/projects/FCmpFuncETSModelEditor-v920/dist/lib.
To run this application from the command line without Ant, try:
java -jar "/home/sasbeb/projects/FCmpFuncETSModelEditor-v920/dist/sas.analytics.cmpfuncetsmdl.jar"
jar:
init:
deps-jar:
init:
deps-jar:
compile:
Copy libraries to /home/sasbeb/projects/CMP-v920/dist/lib.
To run this application from the command line without Ant, try:
java -jar "/home/sasbeb/projects/CMP-v920/dist/sas.analytics.cmp.jar"
jar:
compile:
Copy libraries to /home/sasbeb/projects/ETSCommon-v920/dist/lib.
To run this application from the command line without Ant, try:
java -jar "/home/sasbeb/projects/ETSCommon-v920/dist/sas.etscommon.jar"
jar:
Created dir: /home/sasbeb/projects/sas.analytics.etsmodeleditor/build/classes
Compiling 172 source files to /home/sasbeb/projects/sas.analytics.etsmodeleditor/build/classes
Note: Some input files use or override a deprecated API.
Note: Recompile with -Xlint:deprecation for details.
Note: Some input files use unchecked or unsafe operations.
Note: Recompile with -Xlint:unchecked for details.
Copying 30 files to /home/sasbeb/projects/sas.analytics.etsmodeleditor/build/classes
compile:
Created dir: /home/sasbeb/projects/sas.analytics.etsmodeleditor/dist
Building jar: /home/sasbeb/projects/sas.analytics.etsmodeleditor/dist/sas.analytics.etsmodeleditor.jar
jar:
Created dir: /home/sasbeb/projects/RiskDimensions-d2rskd52/build/classes
Compiling 905 source files to /home/sasbeb/projects/RiskDimensions-d2rskd52/build/classes
Copying 136 files to /home/sasbeb/projects/RiskDimensions-d2rskd52/build/classes
Copied 4 empty directories to 1 empty directory under /home/sasbeb/projects/RiskDimensions-d2rskd52/build/classes
compile:
Created dir: /home/sasbeb/projects/RiskDimensions-d2rskd52/dist
Building jar: /home/sasbeb/projects/RiskDimensions-d2rskd52/dist/sas.analytics.risk.jar
Copy libraries to /home/sasbeb/projects/RiskDimensions-d2rskd52/dist/lib.
To run this application from the command line without Ant, try:
java -jar "/home/sasbeb/projects/RiskDimensions-d2rskd52/dist/sas.analytics.risk.jar"
jar:
BUILD SUCCESSFUL (total time: 47 seconds)
Comment 5 Dusan Balek 2008-08-12 10:50:43 UTC
It does not seem to be a problem of javac compiler. Reassigning.
Comment 6 Unknown 2008-08-12 20:31:46 UTC
More sluggishness...Attaching a thread dump/console
Comment 7 Unknown 2008-08-12 20:33:06 UTC
Created attachment 67173 [details]
Console and StackTrace of issue
Comment 8 Unknown 2008-08-15 20:58:05 UTC
Created attachment 67577 [details]
More sluggishness thread dump
Comment 9 Jiri Kovalsky 2008-08-19 15:53:15 UTC
Can somebody from java team take a look at the newly attached dumps again? Thanks a lot!
Comment 10 Jan Lahoda 2008-08-20 09:57:41 UTC
The most probable cause of the problems is a memory leak (judging from the thread dumps, the old gen is pretty full).
Currently, there is no clue what and where would leak. I am afraid that the Java team does not have resources to
evaluate the problem unless there is a reason to believe that the problem is in the Java support.

To reporter: to evaluate the problem, a heap dump would be perfect (jmap -dump:live,format=b,file=<some-file> <id>;
would be pretty big ~450MB). But heap histogram (jmap -histo:live <id>) could also provide some leads. Could you please
try to provide at least one of these. Thanks.
Comment 11 Unknown 2008-08-20 12:48:47 UTC
I'll set it up and run with it today.
..And I have a 300gig drive;)
Comment 12 Tomas Pavek 2008-08-25 12:02:07 UTC
*** Issue 144444 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 13 Tomas Pavek 2008-08-25 17:38:37 UTC
Note the histogram should be much smaller txt file, could be attached here and would also give us some data - number of
instances, occupied space. We'll let you know if we need full heap dump. Thanks. (Full heap dump is much bigger,
containing all references so it can be used to find out why the suspicious instances are held in memory.)
Comment 14 Petr Jiricka 2008-08-25 18:11:59 UTC
jmap does not work for me. The format that Honza Lahoda posted is not recognized by my JDK, I have JDK 1.5 (on Mac OS
X). Could this be 1.6-specific format?

When I tried without any options, it does not work either.

dhcp-eprg06-21-224:~ petrjiricka$ jmap 4932
Attaching to process ID 4932, please wait...
Error attaching to process: Error attaching to process, or no such process

Looks like a wiki page with exact instructions would be very useful. 
Comment 15 Tomas Pavek 2008-08-25 18:26:17 UTC
jmap -histo <pid>
worked for me...
Comment 16 Jan Lahoda 2008-08-25 18:36:06 UTC
It appears that the ":live" part is really 1.6 specific - sorry for that.
Comment 17 Unknown 2008-08-27 18:18:35 UTC
Created attachment 68470 [details]
jmap histo
Comment 18 Jan Lahoda 2008-08-28 07:26:19 UTC
I think I know what is the problem (unless I misunderstood something): there is a cache in javac that keeps a map from
jar file to its entries (ZipFileIndex[Entry]). This cache is realized by a static hash map, and it is never cleared by
itself (it can be cleared externally though), and so is kept in memory as long as the ZipFileIndex class. Part of the
problem is that the ZipFileIndex class is being load by the application classloader, and so it is never unloaded,
meaning the cache is never cleared (speaking about the "internal compilation" - see below).

Some random notes:
-although the number of the ZFIE in the provided dump is ~420000 (which is quite high), this represents only ~25
instances of rt.jar (the one from a JDK1.6 contains ~17000 entries). Also, the reporter's heap size is set to ~400MB,
the minimal heap our ergonomics will set is (IIRC) 96MB, and problems could then occur with much smaller projects/jars.
-this is a semi-cumulative leak - the cache should not grow if you build one project again and again, but building
different projects with different jars on classpath will grow the cache.
-in JDK 1.6, this cache was not present in 1.6update5, but is in 1.6update7
-the cache of course causes problems (to the IDE) only if "internal compilation" is used - ant is executed in the same
JVM as the IDE (alway), and ant executes the javac in the same JVM too (i.e. not spawn a new process) - depends on the
build script.

Given that the user might experience the problem even during the first build done in the IDE, the most appropriate
workaround, I see so far, would be to fork (spawn a new process) the javac from the build script. Either do it
automatically for all users or manually for the users that experience the problems. Even if the javac itself would crash
with OOME, it wouldn't crash the IDE and the heap can be increased specifically for the javac. Spawning a new process of
course makes the build slightly slower.

Reporter, in a different issue we discussed an experiment with forking the compiler - did you have chance to test it
yet? Did it help?

Other workarounds are also possible, like clearing the cache (using reflection) after each ant build, but this won't
really solve the non-cumulative aspects of the problem.

Unless someone else wants to do it, I will contact the javac folks on this (as time permits).

Thanks to the reporter for the histogram and heap dump.
Comment 19 Unknown 2008-08-28 11:56:27 UTC
>> Reporter, in a different issue we discussed an experiment with forking the compiler
>>  - did you have chance to test it yet? Did it help?

If memory serves, this is the forked compiler.  I'll double check when I get into the office.

Comment 20 Unknown 2008-08-28 18:32:38 UTC
This was from the forked compiler
Comment 21 Jan Lahoda 2008-08-28 19:45:06 UTC
Hm, strange. One thing I probably forgot to mention - the platform setting (and so whether the compiler is or is not
forked) is a project setting, and so if there are more interdependent projects, the use of "internal" or "external"
(forked) compiler during build depends on the sub-project that is being currently built, not on the "main" project. Did
you change the platform only for the "main" project or for all? If you have too many projects to change them manually,
we might be able to produce either patch for the IDE or a script that would change that automatically for all. Thanks.
Comment 22 Jiri Skrivanek 2008-09-03 10:51:37 UTC
*** Issue 144298 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 23 Unknown 2008-09-04 22:11:44 UTC
check the netcat list.  I uploaded another jmap heap dump to megashares
Comment 24 Pavel Flaska 2008-09-09 16:31:29 UTC
From the log, we have found that external compiler is not used for building all projects. With Honza we have prepared modified module, which should use 
external process for compiling as default, I'll attach it.
Comment 25 Pavel Flaska 2008-09-09 16:35:38 UTC
Created attachment 69428 [details]
j2se project module
Comment 26 Pavel Flaska 2008-09-09 16:39:28 UTC
Bryan, could you, please:
i) shutdown your ide,
ii) decompress the gz attachement to {netbeans-dir}/java2/modules/ directory,
iii) start your IDE again.

The issue shouldn't be reproducible with the modified module.
Thanks.
Comment 27 Unknown 2008-09-09 16:49:00 UTC
Done....
Running with it now.
Comment 28 Unknown 2008-09-10 19:52:30 UTC
Very sluggish.... arggg.... almost unworkable...
Comment 29 Pavel Flaska 2008-09-11 14:27:08 UTC
Hm, strange. Bryan, could you, please, check that fork attribute is set in build-impl.xml.
Look to project directory, which was cleaned/built:
{project}/nbproject/build-impl.xml

There should be a javac tag:
<javac debug ... fork="yes" ...>
 
Please, ensure, that the fork attribute is present. Thanks.

Comment 30 Jan Lahoda 2008-09-11 20:32:46 UTC
I am going to attach a modified version of an ant extension library that tries to clean the javac caches after each
compilation. Could you please try to replace the original version of org-netbeans-modules-java-source-ant.jar in
${netbeans_install}/java2/ant/nblib with the attached version (please backup the original version) and try to work with
it? After each invocation of javac in the ant build script, it should print something like:
Clearing javac caches
Original caches: <number>
Do clearing javac caches
After clearing caches: 0

Normal verbosity should be enough to see the messages.

Thanks.
Comment 31 Jan Lahoda 2008-09-11 20:33:55 UTC
Created attachment 69684 [details]
Modified version of org-netbeans-modules-java-source-ant.jar
Comment 32 Jan Lahoda 2008-09-16 15:12:26 UTC
Bryan, did you have chance to test the patch? Did it improve the situation? Thanks.
Comment 33 Unknown 2008-09-16 15:41:03 UTC
No, it didn't improve performance.  Friday when I left for the weekend, the IDE was so sluggish it took about 3-5
minutes to compilem when it normally (under 6.1) takes less than a minute to compile the same sources.

Can it be that clean/build all (I have to do it a lot due to http://www.netbeans.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=144855)
Comment 34 adam_myatt 2008-09-17 03:22:25 UTC
I'm not sure I'm helping a ton jumping into this issue this late, but I've seen some reproducable stuff recently using 
NetBeans IDE Build 200809151401. I will attach a ZIP file of a sample Java Web App I've used to demo this issue. It 
contains a couple dozen Java source files that I've fluffed up to 3000-4000 lines per class to simulate "real" code. 
When I do a fresh open of the IDE, I open the project and run a Clean and Build. The memory spikes a little, but not 
too bad. The Clean&Build finishes. However, if I open all the java source files in the Source Editor, the memory/cpu 
does not move much. If I NOW do a Clean & Build, the memory utilization seems to jump significantly more than the first 
Clean & Build. If I leave the Java source files open without doing anything and wait a few seconds and do another Clean 
and Build, the memory goes up and then stabilizes. After a half dozen or dozen cycles of this the memory usage stays 
quite high and doesn't go back down. Not sure if this is a similar situation to this thread, but hopefully the sample 
project can help.
Comment 35 adam_myatt 2008-09-17 03:24:58 UTC
Created attachment 69998 [details]
Sample Project for Testing Clean and Build
Comment 36 adam_myatt 2008-09-17 03:26:16 UTC
Sorry, forgot to add basic details on my setup : 

Product Version: NetBeans IDE Dev (Build 200809151401)
Java: 1.6.0_02; Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM 1.6.0_02-b05
System: Windows XP version 5.1 running on x86; Cp1252; en_US (nb)
Comment 37 Pavel Flaska 2008-09-17 10:39:25 UTC
Thanks for you information. Unfortunately, I'm not able to reproduce it on my machine. I've tried both Linux and WinXP platform. I will ask someone else to 
try to reproduce.
Comment 38 Unknown 2008-09-17 14:24:55 UTC
Dmitry Lipin has a VM of sidux. (Debian sid)
I'm running 64-bit.  He might be running 32-bit, but he might be able to help.
Comment 39 Jan Lahoda 2008-09-22 12:39:28 UTC
Bryan, could you please:
-check that the ant log contains the debugging info I wrote about above:
Clearing javac caches
Original caches: <number>
Do clearing javac caches
After clearing caches: 0
What are the numbers in your case? (The <number> represents how many .jar files are cached, not entries.)
-is the IDE as a whole slow, or only the build process?
-could you please try to run the IDE on an older JDK (1.5 or 1.6 update 5 or older)?
-could you please double-check that you are using the same JDK to run the 6.1 and 6.5 (in the IDE log or under Help/About)

Thanks.

I have performed a little experiment over the weekend: I have a build script, that executes other build scripts that are
trying to compile a trivial class, with some jars on the classpath. Executing the script on JDK1.5 and JDK1.6 update 5
passed without problems. The same script failed with OOME on JDK1.6 update 10. I have 'export ANT_OPTS="-Xmx256m"' in my
~/.antrc.

I have executed the build script in the IDE with JDK1.5 and with JDK1.6 update 10, with and without the "clearing
caches" patch. The only case where I encountered problems (extraordinary memory consumption, slow response, OOME, etc.)
was JDK1.6 update 10 without the "clearing caches" patch.

In case someone wanted to reproduce the experiment, I am attaching a bash script that creates the build scripts+jars
that I used. Notes:
-the script may misbehave (I am not an expert on bash scripts), so please verify the build script yourself to make sure
it won't hurt your computer :-)
-place the script into an empty directory and execute it from there - it will create directory "build" which will
contain the test build script (please note that the script deletes the "build" directory as its first step)
-at the beginning there are four variables you can try to modify and see what happens. Make sure that:
dirs * files < 65536
-to perform the experiment, execute "ant" inside the "build" directory (or, inside NB, add "build" directory to the
Favorites view and execute "depend" target on the "build.xml").
Comment 40 Jan Lahoda 2008-09-22 12:40:39 UTC
Created attachment 70203 [details]
bash script to generate test ant scripts.
Comment 41 Jan Lahoda 2008-09-23 15:23:31 UTC
I have found a simple way to disable the static cache in the javac:
http://hg.netbeans.org/main?cmd=changeset;node=8c3e1d7dd54a

Bryan (and others), could you please try a build with that patch? Continuous trunk builds contain that fix since build
#3842:
http://deadlock.netbeans.org/hudson/job/trunk/

A link to a daily build containing that fix will be added to this issue when available.

Thanks.
Comment 42 Quality Engineering 2008-09-23 18:01:02 UTC
Integrated into 'main-golden', will be available in build *200809231435* on http://bits.netbeans.org/dev/nightly/ (upload may still be in progress)
Changeset: http://hg.netbeans.org/main/rev/8c3e1d7dd54a
User: Jan Lahoda <jlahoda@netbeans.org>
Log: #143234: disabling javac zip file caches.
Comment 43 Pavel Flaska 2008-09-30 09:24:24 UTC
Any news? -- Does last Honza's integration help? For the time being, we do not have any other idea what to do to improve behavior as we are unable to 
reproduce the problem.
Comment 44 Pavel Flaska 2008-10-01 16:00:51 UTC
There hasn't been any response last week, considering issue as fixed. Thanks.
Comment 45 Unknown 2008-10-06 15:16:48 UTC
HMMM...
If you guys didn't make a code change to address the problem, then it can't be fixed.
I was out of the office last week.
I'm downloading it now, but in the meantime, I'm re-opening it.
Comment 46 Pavel Flaska 2008-10-06 15:38:43 UTC
Honza applied the patch which clears the caches. -- Such a change removed memory leak occupied by javac -- this leak was originally identified as a cause 
of your problem. If it doesn't help, without any new thread dump and heap dumps (or reproducible test-case) we are not able to provide any other patch.
That is all I can say for the time being, if there is any volunteer with better understanding of this problem, he can fix it correctly.
Comment 47 Unknown 2008-10-06 15:44:57 UTC
Great...
I should know something by the end of the day.  I'm running the new stuff now.
Comment 48 Unknown 2008-10-07 13:52:14 UTC
Seems to work as adverrtised.
Thanks for your hard work.  I'll file another defect if the problem arises again.